[aha] audio Storia e critica sociale del web 2.0

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Il giorno 15/ott/08, alle ore 18:25, gadda1944 ha scritto:


> Ma credo che, se ci mettessimo a lavorare un po' in questa  
> direzione, si potrebbe fare anche un passo più in là. Perché non  
> pensare, in tempi meno rapidi ma non lunghissimi, anche a un libro?  
> Su molti temi, certo, siamo solo all'inizio del dibattito, ma mi  
> pare che la lista stia facendo grossi passi verso una precisazione  
> e un arricchimento dei temi aperti al camping. Editori vicini al  
> movimento ce ne sono, competenze editoriali nella lista non  
> mancano. Certo, un libro non è lo strumento principale per una  
> discussione, ma se ci fosse aiuterebbe sia ad andare avanti nella  
> discussione che a rendere più visibile il nostro lavoro.  
> Pensiamoci, a presto,

Io trovo sia un'ottima idea :-)
certo il lavoro da fare è molto, ma un obiettivo come questo ci  
permetterebbe di tenere ancora alto il livello della discussione.
Appoggio la proposta :-)
Attendo gli sviluppi ;-)
d.


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>> scusate l'intrusione, ma a me sembra che se in generale rendesse  
>> disponibile
>> il raw material in maniera pressochè istantanea (non appena lo si  
>> è editato
>> etc) per poi pensare in un secondo momento al suo
>> confezionamento\presentazione\archiviazione definitiva (quella da  
>> consegnare
>> ai posteri in secula seculorum per capirci)...bè ecco non sarebbe  
>> una così
>> cattiva idea. In fondo siete stati tutti molto solleciti con i report
>> testuali e i vari thread che da quasi due settimane reinterpretano e
>> riflettono in una lunga eco\appendice del camp quello che in  
>> definitiva si è
>> consumato in appena 3 giorni (questo slittamento tra il tempo in  
>> cui è
>> immersa la vita della mailing list e quello dell'incontro e la  
>> conseguente
>> produzione narrativa e critica da questo derivata e tutt'altro che  
>> esaurita
>> è molto significativo imo)...e lungi da me accusarvi di perdervi  
>> in cavilli
>> tecnici\estetici o chissàcosa però strizzando l'occhio al thread  
>> sul network
>> (e come dice dedalus al relativo framework), insomma credo per  
>> alimentare il
>> dibattito e non perdere a distanza di giorni e settimane il  
>> contatto con gli
>> issues proposti al camp (e solo da una minima parte della lista  
>> approfonditi
>> e realmente discussi) sarebbe bene battere il ferro finchè caldo,  
>> e anche se
>> in maniera approssimativa e del tutto provvisoria rendere  
>> disponibili tutte
>> le testimonianze e i materiali in un battibaleno...in parte anche  
>> questo
>> secondo me solidifica e coagula un network e lo fa cercando di  
>> sottrarsi il
>> più possibile ai tempi di mediazione e alle logiche di una mailing  
>> list,
>> orientandosi piuttosto verso un real time knowledge sharing...come
>> giustamente è avvenuto con la diretta streaming proprio al  
>> camp...poi boh,
>> forse sono solo inutili chiacchere:D
>>
>> ciao
>>
>> a.
>>
>> 2008/10/15 gianmarco bonavolontà <gianmarco.bonavolont at gmail.com>
>>
>>> ho inserito il file qui:
>>> http://www.archive.org/details/StoriaECriticaSocialeDelWeb2.0aha
>>> date un'occhiata e fatemi sapere se necessita di qualche aggiunta  
>>> o altro
>>>
>>>
>>> Il giorno 15 ottobre 2008 12.54, gianmarco bonavolontà <
>>> gianmarco.bonavolont at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>>>
>>> il video del seminario è una ripresa fissa di poca rilevanza,  
>>> però se si
>>>> prende in considerazione l'idea di Arianna Magrini:
>>>> *
>>>> un'idea che mi era venuta era quella di mettere sul sito il  
>>>> video completo
>>>> frammentato per interventi, che ognuno di voi potrà ricomporre  
>>>> grazie a
>>>> qualsiasi cazzata di software di montaggio secondo le sue  
>>>> preferenze...per
>>>> poi dare la sua videoversione del videoreport
>>>>
>>>> una meraviglia di soggettivazione, no?*
>>>>
>>>> si potrebbe ingrare ed intrecciale tutto il materiale video  
>>>> girato a
>>>> Venezia e conseguentemente avere la possibilità di realizzare video
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 15 ottobre 2008 11.24, Dedalus <dedalus at autistici.org> ha
>>>> scritto:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> domandina stupida :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ma il video non l'abbiamo?
>>>>> Se ce l'abbiamo perché non montiamo quello e lo mettiamo su  
>>>>> ngv? :-)
>>>>> Ciau!
>>>>> d.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:20:04 +0200, "gianmarco bonavolontà"
>>>>> <gianmarco.bonavolont at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> credo che le due proposte nn siano in antitesi, pertanto inizio a
>>>>> caricare
>>>>>> il file su archive.org e poi cerco di ridurre il peso per  
>>>>>> l'eventuale
>>>>>> immissione sul wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Il giorno 15 ottobre 2008 0.22, Dedalus  
>>>>>> <dedalus at autistici.org> ha
>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:50:49 +0200, "gadda1944"  
>>>>>>> <gadda1944 at libero.it>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ma poi penso: se Dedalus ha fatto l'obiezione, avrà avuto una
>>>>> ragione
>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>> a me sfugge... :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> l'obbiezione è molto semplice: da quel che so io NGV è una  
>>>>>>> piattaforma
>>>>>>> indipendente per la condivisione di video :-)
>>>>>>> nulla vieterebbe loro di rendere condivisibili pure file  
>>>>>>> audio, ma
>>>>>>> semplicemente non rientra negli intenti del progetto ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> per cui farei così: o ripieghiamo su archive.org come diceva  
>>>>>>> t_bazz
>>>>>> oppure
>>>>>>> mi e vi chiedo: possibile comprimere un popo' di più 'sto mp3 e
>>>>>> caricarlo
>>>>>>> via ftp sullo spazio dove sta il wiki?
>>>>>>> Non so quante ore siano ma secondo me "pigiando" un altro po' si
>>>>>> dovrebbe
>>>>>>> scendere di molto come MB... Ne risente un po' la qualità  
>>>>>>> dell'audio,
>>>>>>> vorrà dire che rinunceremo al Dolby Surround :-)))
>>>>>>> Che dite voialtri?
>>>>>>> Ciau,
>>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g.
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>>>>> aha at ecn.org
>>>>>>>> Cc          :
>>>>>>>> Date      : Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:39:05 +0200
>>>>>>>> Subject : Re: [aha] audio Storia e critica sociale del web 2.0
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> perchè??
>>>>>>>>> è il formato più utilizzato ed è leggibile da tutti i player
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 14 ottobre 2008 16.35, gadda1944  
>>>>>>>>> <gadda1944 at libero.it>
>>>>> ha
>>>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Allora ci ssranno problemi, credo.
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> aha at ecn.org
>>>>>>>>>> Cc          :
>>>>>>>>>> Date      : Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:29:16 +0200
>>>>>>>>>> Subject : Re: [aha] audio Storia e critica sociale del web  
>>>>>>>>>> 2.0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> il file è MP3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 14 ottobre 2008 16.27, gadda1944 <
>>>>> gadda1944 at libero.it>
>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Credo che dipenda dal formato del file. Se hai preso  
>>>>>>>>>>>> l'audio
>>>>>> dal
>>>>>>>> video,
>>>>>>>>>>>> dovrebbe essere un formato compatibile con i lettori video.
>>>>> Io
>>>>>> ho
>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>> wmv,
>>>>>>>>>>>> o flv, che sono solo audio, senza video. Cmq, aspettiamo  
>>>>>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>> Dedalus o
>>>>>>>>>>>> qualche altro si liberi.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> g
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> From      : aha-bounces at ecn.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> To          : "List on artistic activism and net culture"
>>>>>>>> aha at ecn.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc          :
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date      : Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:09:52 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject : Re: [aha] audio Storia e critica sociale del web
>>>>> 2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> allora attendo responso :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno 14 ottobre 2008 16.07, Dedalus
>>>>>> <dedalus at autistici.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mmmmm,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (sono un po' di furia e non mi posso dilungare)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ma ngv da quel che so io è una piattaforma dedicata ai
>>>>>>>> video... :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Non credo "tratti" file audio ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stasera cmq vedo di approfondire...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciau,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:02:27 +0200, T_Bazz <
>>>>> t_bazz at ecn.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direi che su ngv va bene, ma assicuriamoci che vada
>>>>>> online
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> tempi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brevi ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altrimenti archive.org, che avevo proposto giorni fa,
>>>>> lo
>>>>>>>>>>>> consiglierei se
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vogliamo velocizzare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in ogni modo proviamo prima con ngv, direi, perche
>>>>>> sarebbe
>>>>>>>> la
>>>>>>>>>> cosa
>>>>>>>>>>>> piu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriata per le nostre tematiche.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> baci
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tbazz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gadda1944 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondo me ngvision è il più adatto, o uno dei più
>>>>>>>> adatti. Se
>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ricordo male era lo stesso che aveva proposto Dedalus.
>>>>>> Poi,
>>>>>>>>>> essendo
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non video (se non ho capito male) ed essendo in
>>>>> italiano,
>>>>>> è
>>>>>>>> una
>>>>>>>>>>>> ragione
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> più.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sul wiki direttamente mi pare di ricordare che sia
>>>>>>>> difficile, o
>>>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>>>>>> ci
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vogliano cmq dei link. Ma se lo mettiamo su ngvision,
>>>>>>>> mettiamo il
>>>>>>>>>>>> link
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nella home del wiki e non mi pare sia un problema.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quanto a mediafire, mi risulta che sia un sito
>>>>>> commerciale
>>>>>>>> e
>>>>>>>>>> quindi
>>>>>>>>>>>> lo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> escluderei.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aspettiamo un pochino per vedere se hanno qualcosa da
>>>>>> dire
>>>>>>>>>> quelli
>>>>>>>>>>>> che ne
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanno un po' più di me, ma - una volta fissati i
>>>>> paletti
>>>>>>>> "etici"
>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credo sia una scelta così complicata.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To          : "List on artistic activism and net
>>>>>> culture"
>>>>>>>>>>>> aha at ecn.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc          :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date      : Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:31:47 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject : Re: [aha] audio Storia e critica sociale del
>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> 2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io sarei indirizzato verso :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ngvision.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.archive.org/index.php
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per essere coerenti con il conc "open"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> che ne dite??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/14 Antonio <in.an.autumn.garden at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ma un upload su mediafire\megaupload\rapidshare
>>>>> anche
>>>>>> dei
>>>>>>>> 115
>>>>>>>>>> mb
>>>>>>>>>>>> nel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frattempo? giusto per renderlo disponibile prima di
>>>>>>>> decidere
>>>>>>>>>> dove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metterlo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitivamente...non so, è che sono curioso di
>>>>>>>> ascoltarlo il
>>>>>>>>>>>> prima
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possibile (visto che sono arrivato tardi asd)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ciao!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/14, gianmarco bonavolontà <
>>>>>>>>>> gianmarco.bonavolont at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> io ricordo la proposta di Marco di mettere l'audio
>>>>>> sul
>>>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cmq fatemi sapere
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/14 gianmarco bonavolontà <
>>>>>>>>>> gianmarco.bonavolont at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> posso spezzarli, nn è un problema (il lavoro più
>>>>>>>> grosso
>>>>>>>>>> ormai è
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fatto)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/10/14 gadda1944 <gadda1944 at libero.it>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intanto, grazie. Be', forse la scelta di fare un
>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>> unico
>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>> è
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stata
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> la più felice. Si poteva spezzare in tre o
>>>>> quattro
>>>>>>>> unità
>>>>>>>>>> più
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piccole. Forse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> però c'era più lavoro. Mi pare che Dedalus (e
>>>>>> forse
>>>>>>>> anche
>>>>>>>>>> xD,
>>>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ricordo)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abbiano indicato dei siti non commerciali in cui
>>>>>>>> metterlo,
>>>>>>>>>>>> dovrei
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> andare a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recuperare le mail in cui c'erano gli indirizzi.
>>>>> Se
>>>>>> ci
>>>>>>>> sono
>>>>>>>>>>>> altre
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposte,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ascoltiamole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g.
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>>>>>>>> culture"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aha at ecn.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc          :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date      : Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:33:04 +0200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject : [aha] audio Storia e critica sociale
>>>>> del
>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> 2.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Salut* a tutti,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giovani e meno giovani ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volevo informarvi che ho finalmente finito di
>>>>>> editare
>>>>>>>>>> l'audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrale del
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seminario " storia e critica del web 2.0" !!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volevo chiedervi/ci:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosa vogliamo farne ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dato che le dimensioni del file originale sono
>>>>>>>> abbastanza
>>>>>>>>>>>> grandi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (MP3,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 115MB), come ci comportiamo ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a presto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gianma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> cretini
>>>>>>>> che
>>>>>>>>>> non
>>>>>>>>>>>> hanno
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visto la Madonna.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Io sono un cretino che la Madonna non l'ha vista mai.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tutto consiste in questo, vedere la Madonna o non
>>>>> vederla."
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>>>>>>> "Ci sono cretini che hanno visto la Madonna e ci sono cretini  
>>>>>>> che non
>>>>>> hanno
>>>>>>> visto la Madonna.
>>>>>>> Io sono un cretino che la Madonna non l'ha vista mai.
>>>>>>> Tutto consiste in questo, vedere la Madonna o non vederla."
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> che non
>>>>> hanno
>>>>> visto la Madonna.
>>>>> Io sono un cretino che la Madonna non l'ha vista mai.
>>>>> Tutto consiste in questo, vedere la Madonna o non vederla."
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